A conversation between a Muslim (A) and an atheist (B)
A:) Hey, I love science, I believe in science and I am a Muslim
B:) You believe in science and you are a Muslim? How come?!!!
A:) Can I ask you question?
A:) Is science discovered or invented?
B:) I think it's discovered.
A:) Okay, that's means that someone made it and put its rules.
And Allah in the noble qur'an said something like that ( ؟؟؟
لتعلموا عدد السنين والحساب يونس/5
To know the number of years and account (of time)
Allah asked us in the noble qur'an To travel through the land and
observe how He began creation. Then allah will produce the final
قل سيروا في الأرض فانظروا كيف بدأ الخلق ثم الله ينشئ النشأة الآخرة إن الله على كل شيء قدير ، العنكبوت/20
B:) Okay, how could I know that Allah who created science and the world
And the universe why it's not a hypothesis of multiverse or an alien
Okay, if there are infinite number of multiverse, then there won't be
any creation, because who caused the cause of the cause of the cause of
the cause of the cause. It must have begun with a first cause? If not,
there won't be any creation of our universe?? And what you are saying is
just guessing, not scientific evidence. You can hear that yourself:
B:) Then why it's not aliens??
A:) Okay, do you think the something that created the universe is one or more
B:) I don't mind if they are many gods or aliens
A:) okay, if there are many gods, do you think that the creator is perfect or not?
A:) okay if there are many gods, then the creator won't be perfect because he will need the other gods to do something for him
B:) what if they are united? (متحدين)
Then which god, if you are poor, will you ask to be rich, for example?
Or when you need something, who will you ask the 1st god or the 2nd, or
If there a lot of gods, every god of them would take what he created and the universe will be destroyed and spoiled.
You won't see that stabilty of the rules and science even. Why, if any one of them can create a universe with his singular power, be united in 1 universe?? Or they are not perfect so they need each other??? Then that universe will not be stable and not fine-tuned, then all science and what we think is just a piece of crap.
And that will be impossible to live in the universe
And that's confusing and doesn't make any sense
And we are Muslims who believe that Allah is one. A perfect one.
B:) Okay, if god is creator, then who created god?
A:) Creation is a law or a rule that Allah or god put. So how come that the rule that god put be applied and performed on him?
The creator must not be created. He must be the only one who's free of the causes, and must be the first cause.
If you made a plastic ball, and you come next day: do you become shaped like a ball, or made of plastic ?????
Creator does not get affected with his rules
B:) why did god create us? How could I know that he sent a messenger and religion? Why religion?
A:) Okay, in the beginning of the conversation we came to an agreement that the god must be perfect.
A:) Do you think that injustice is from perfect characteristics?
B:) What?? No, of course not!!!
Then when you say that god just created you without helping you to know
anything about how to rule and control your life, and even he didn't
introduce himself to you???? He just created you for nothing. That's a
useless god. That's an unfair and an unjust creator. So he is not
perfect any more.
B:) Then what is he ????
A:) That's a very bad god in your imagination and it won't fit the perfect god of that universe
B:) but i think he gave us minds to know him????
A:) okay, do you think that the brains or minds can lead us to the absolute truth of the creator and your aim of your life?
B:) yeah, I think that. I have one that's making me enjoy life.
A:) okay, can i ask you for little experiment to do?